Saturday, January 7, 2012

Against Faith

You awake and find yourself alone in the woods, with no memory of how you arrived there. In fact, you have no memory of your past at all. You could have been living there for years, or recently been moved there against your will. You have no relevant survival skills. You do not know how to judge direction by sun or stars. You do not know how to track game. The woods are vast, seemingly without end. You walk for several hours in one direction to find yourself no closer to an exit into civilization. Then you recognize footprints in the mud. The prints match your own shoes: you've been walking in circles. You're hungry and cold. You feel that your situation is hopeless, and with all probability you won't survive more than a few days. You're afraid.

How would you cope? It's probably fair to concede than many would allow themselves to lapse into despair, and more or less await the inevitable. However, I believe that many more would eventually summon the courage to keep trying, learning as much as they can about their surroundings and trying to muddle their way through the situation and find a way out of the woods, or at least find food, fresh water and shelter, so they can continue the struggle.

One thing that hope none of us would do: deny the reality of the situation. Simply because we have no knowledge of life before the woods - or present knowledge of a way out - does not imply that this is an illusion. As great as the human capacity for denial is, I doubt any of us would believe that if we sit in the dirt and focus on a warm house, cable TV and a pepperoni pizza, we can make that a reality through force of will.

Well, you can see where this is going. The setting of the woods is our life on earth. The struggle for survival is our own spiritual struggle. I mean this not in a mystical sense, but in an ethical an metaphysical sense. Being born into this place and time means we have full bellies and warm beds. But we still struggle to find meaning, fulfillment and a understanding of truth, goodness and badness, rightness and wrongness in our daily lives.

My thesis is this: In as much as these concepts aren't readily apparent or easy, the reaction of turning to faith for answers is wrong. Not just unwise, but wrong.

In my judgement, the first thing one must accept is the existence of physical reality. In order to do so, one must accept the basic correctness of ones own perceptions. As fallible as they are, one must trust one's own eyes, ears, sense of feeling and touch, and one's own mind. With these basic assumptions acting as a foundation, a super-structure of theories about ethics, metaphysics and philosophy (not to mention scientific knowledge of the physical world) is possible. Without them, a person is capable of any wild, random action. They could lapse into solipsism, believing that theirs is the only real experience, and that it means nothing to shoot a thousand people in the face. They could choose to ape the behavior of others, without really accepting social mores, becoming a narcissist or sociopath. Etc, etc.

Faith is, in essence, preferring one type of knowledge (gnosis: spiritual or revelatory knowledge) over another (material knowledge). It doesn't necessarily deny the reality of material knowledge, but it insists that gnosis take precedence when there is a conflict. That doesn't mean that a believer is a dangerous sociopath (for the most part), but it means that the "foundation" has been compromised.

My own understanding derives entirely from sensory information, and any rational correlations my mind might derive from that information. To a believer, that material data has competition, from a "higher power": another source that is both apart and above the physical world. In the case of one who believes he himself is a prophet, with direct access to gnosis, the wrongness of his faith will become immediately apparent when he tries to sleep with your wife and start building a holy army (see Joseph Smith). In the case of one who merely has faith in the words of dead prophets, the wrongness will be less obvious, but still there. Dead crazy is more inert than living crazy, but the possibility for unreasonable action is still there. If scripture has anything at all to say about current events, it probably will provoke believers to take actions that they wouldn't otherwise take.

Everything that we have in this world - an understanding of how the universe works, how to efficiently grow food, how to live and work with each other, how to organize a society with laws and courts, how to build a roof that doesn't collapse and kill the family living within - we owe to rational, clear thinking. Faith is a corruption of that. Faith is an appeal, a deference, a yielding - a surrender - to the not-rational. At the bottom, faith is the insistence that by concentrating on an idea, with enough will-power, one is capable of making reality - that if you focus your Chi hard enough, you can make that lightsaber leap off of the ground and into your hand.

For what? What does the believer gain? Quite a lot, I must admit: A sense of purpose, fulfillment, moral certainty and comfort in an afterlife. These are the "higher values" that one seeks after finding food, shelter, a mate, and security. These are the values that rationality alone has difficulty providing in the long run. Faith makes it easier. But Faith has many hands, and while it gives with one, it takes with all others. The cost of comfort is the loss of an ability to judge for oneself, challenge assumptions, and hold opinions outside of orthodoxy.

Other than that, I do believe it actually erodes one's capacity to think critically. If one spends a portion of his life training to ignore or suppress doubts or judgements that are rooted in materialism, during a religious frame of mind, that cannot but have a deleterious effect on the ability to return to that more rational method of thinking when the situation demands it. When trying to parse and understand an essay written by a theological scholar, I cannot help but be boggled by how complex and nonsensical it is. It reads that way because the arguments aren't rooted in a common, tangible world that we all share, but in a supernatural world that cannot be explained without ridiculously convoluted analogies and parable, and even then, poorly.

Faith in general, especially organized religion, and in particular Abrahamic religions cripple the minds of human beings by training them to turn off a critical part of their brains. It says, basically: "You are, as of the moment you were born, scum that has no right to breath air or live freely - no rights at all, as a matter of fact. Despite this, you may be given some of the things that you want if you freely give yourself up. Give up your free judgement, give up your autonomy, be totally obedient in thought and action and you will be given the comforts you desire in return".

Say what you want about the limits of pure reason. If one reviews the works of philosophy from Socrates onward, and you'll see the arguments, counter-arguments, refutations, revisiting and reviewing of ideas long abandoned, affirming, denying, affirming and denying again - the footprints crossing each other in the woods, circling the path again and again. But progress is being made. Today we know more about the world than we ever did before. We know more about our past - and our potential future - than ever before. We're living better than ever before. We're treating each other with more decency than ever before. In spite of the limitations of reason, and the difficulty of living in this universe, we are managing. We're muddling through, to the best of our ability. And I have reason to hope that the trend will continue. Tomorrow means better knowledge of fact, truth and value. Better perspective, a better life. But every moment spent in belief of the supernatural is a moment squandered. A few minutes in the woods, pausing to try one more time to will that house/TV/pizza into reality is a moment not looking for real food, real safety. Beyond that, the demands of obedience from faith put our real achievements in jeopardy by causing random, irrational, dangerous and, yes, immoral behavior. That is why when I say that I am an agnostic - I reject gnosis - it is not with a shrug but with resoluteness and confidence.

20 comments:

  1. I have a lot to argue within this post but I'm just trying this bit first.

    "But every moment spent in belief of the supernatural is a moment squandered."

    That's a load, sir.

    With all the hammerings of being believers it was Muslims who came up with an early version of the scientific method (Followed by Catholic Roger Bacon later in Europe).

    It was a Catholic who first transmitted a human voice over wireless technology and so on.

    I know you aren't saying that faith makes one incapable of achievement, but I would argue that history shows the constant achievements in science and math and astronomy made by people of faith.

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  2. "I know you aren't saying that faith makes one incapable of achievement, but I would argue that history shows the constant achievements in science and math and astronomy made by people of faith."

    I most definately do not deny that fact. Nor was it my intention to make that implication.

    However...

    While these historic discoveries and achievements were made by people OF faith, does that mean they were caused BY faith?

    Was an understanding of the scientific method revealed by God through the power of revelation? No?

    Perhaps it was found in the writings of an ancient prophet who was granted the first kernel of this idea from God? No again?

    Or was it found by scratching in the dirt, scrabbling for an understanding of the material world, using reason as a guide, like the rest of us?

    Of course, the Catholic church bankrolled the activities of many curious brothers and sisters, but I don't think it's fair to say that's scoring a point for faith itself. Pragmatism itself, perhaps.

    I don't sincerely believe that faith turns people into babbling idiots, but I do believe that any time spent in pursuit of knowledge of the supernatural - the not-natural - cannot but have some negative effect on the understanding of the natural.

    If I spent a half an hour a day staring point blank at my computer screen, believing (really BELIEVING... HARD) that I can program it through wishful thinking, by virtue of that belief ITSELF - you cannot tell me that my productivity wouldn't suffer. If not because this silly belief contradicts and diminishes the professional skills I depend on, then at least because of the lost time spent in that belief.

    Time spent pondering the supernatural is at worst deleterious to critical thinking, and at best merely a pastime that does no harm, but accomplishes no additional good either.

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  3. I didn't mean to say that faith caused those discoveries, it didn't. It was the same processes that would be undertaken by any good atheist scientist.

    And the results are just spectacular. Their faith didn't stop them from these accomplishments.

    I guess one could argue they could have done more if they didn't waste time praying or going to mass, but I think that's really just pure speculation.

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  4. "It was the same processes that would be undertaken by any good atheist scientist.

    And the results are just spectacular. Their faith didn't stop them from these accomplishments."

    I didn't say that it did.

    I'm off to bed. I might respond to this again tomorrow, but don't let that stop you if the mood strikes.

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  5. Their contributions are certainly appreciated, but how exactly did their faith lead to these discoveries? I doubt the Muslims prayed the scientific method into existence. These people used their logic and reasoning skills to make their contributions.

    In addition, while people who profess faith have made significant contributions to science, faith itself has had a hand in slowing scientific progress because it conflicts with the belief system (stem cell research comes to mind).

    There is no scientific contribution made by a person of faith which could not have been accomplished by a secularist. To counter progress, on the other hand, that takes religion.

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  6. In the time it took my to get around to finishing one response...YOU TWO HAVE SMASHED ALL THE FURNATURE!

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  7. Hah! That's the price you pay for having a life. Luckily, I don't have that problem... Oh.. Oh God...

    John - Regarding speculation, I suppose it is. Unfortunately, I don't have an example from anywhere in history of an atheistic society, to hold up in comparison with religious societies.

    However, just thinking this through: If I spent part of my time thinking along reasonable lines, and part of my time thinking along lines that are the opposite of reason - those two activities don't have ANY effect on one another?

    One is a universe of cause and effect, each particular action having an equal and opposite reaction. The other is where miracles happen. Loaves of bread are multiplied, evil spirits cause disease and madness, people can be brought back from the dead, etc etc, because God wills it. Those two paradigms aren't contradictory?

    How many early Christian protoscientists spent how many hours in pursuit of knowledge of such miracles? How many medieval alchemists might have redirected their efforts into the natural sciences instead of trying to turn lead into gold? How many astrologers might have become astronomers?

    Speculative or no, don't you think there's something there?

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  8. I don't think it's an issue, no because at least in the Catholic world, we don't discount the natural because of the supernatural.

    Sure a demon can cause madness, but so can a million natural reasons. Sure before science got as far as it is the supernatural may have been blamed more than it should have.

    But just as believers may have been wrong in those cases, scientists once thought lobotomies were a good thing.

    Is it true that less focus on prayer and more focus on science might have advanced science more? Probably.

    But is it also true that less epic pursuits than religion, ie. video games, alcohol, or hanging out with friends also detracts from time that could be spent studying.

    Of course I'm being over the top here, but I hope you see my point. You said, at best, it's a pasttime that does no harm, but I say it's that at worst.

    At best, (discounting salvation as the true best) it motivates people. Think of Catholic health services and the advances in medicine made by them with the goal of helping others. Caring for the sick no one else would care for etc.

    I don't think acknowledging the unexplainable and or crediting it to God is any more detrimental to one's cognitive thinking than your own position that some things we just don't know.

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  9. "we don't discount the natural because of the supernatural" No you don't. I don't see any of you jumping off of cliffs, believing you can deny gravity.

    "scientists once thought lobotomies were a good thing" As ill-advised as it was, it was at least based on some knowledge of how the brain works. Doctor's weren't deciding which lobes to carve based on the entrails of a steer.

    "Is it true that less focus on prayer and more focus on science might have advanced science more? Probably." Not probably. More focus on science would have advanced science more, almost certainly.

    "But is it also true that less epic pursuits than religion, ie. video games, alcohol, or hanging out with friends also detracts from time that could be spent studying." Recreation diverts time from intellectual pursuit, but religion is not recreation. Religion is concerned with a "higher" matters, "transcending" the natural, etc etc. In other words, religion is a form of intellectual pursuit, competing with natural/material intellectual matters. They're both sharing from the same plate, competing for the same resources.

    "I don't think acknowledging the unexplainable and or crediting it to God is any more detrimental to one's cognitive thinking than your own position that some things we just don't know." I cannot disagree with you more on this. Acknowledging ignorance is a very healthy thing to do. However, taking a question of which you are ignorant to the answer, and attributing it to God is NOT intellectually healthy or valid for that matter. Saying "I don't know" is not equivilent to saying "God did it".

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  10. You make it seem like all we do is make a half hearted effort to figure something out before going, "Did you see what Gooooood just did to us man?"

    But I submit that we don't do that until such a point that we are force to acknowledge that we don't know. And even then, I don't think we'd attribute it to God/miracle status unless we had something (though you might find it flimsy) to make us think that was the case.

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  11. Whether it takes 2 minutes or 200 years, it doesn't change the nature of the action. The action is, taking an unknown and making it a known, by a process outside of honest inquiry.

    Do what you want to do, it's a free society. If you want to think that way, fine. I can't stop you. But it's wrong. And the fact that it happens rarely, and after so much deliberation and contemplation doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.

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  12. The action is, taking an unknown and making it a known, by a process outside of honest inquiry.

    That opinion is fair, but I'd like to play semantics for a moment.

    I would prefer:
    The action is, taking an unknown and making it a known, by a process outside of "scientific or traditional empirical methods" inquiry.

    Whether it's a big distinction or not comes down to this. Are all believers being dishonest?

    And so we come to what I think we all knew this would come too. I know God exists.

    I can't show you. Wish I could. Would certainly be easier that way, but maybe less fun.

    I've had a lifetime of experience that may have prepared my mind to accept that fact sure, but I have personally had a couple experience's that I cannot consider could be anything other than a divine experience.

    I've considered the psychological, though I'm no shrink, I've considered the medical, though I'm not a doctor.

    I thought about wishful thinking too.

    But at the end of such considerations, I believe I have felt the presence of God.

    When and where and how that happened has to do with why I'm Catholic and why I trust in the teachings of the Church.

    Is that lazy? Ok. Then I'm a lazy slave.

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  13. What constitutes "honest" inquiry? That's the crux.

    In this blog I described a couple of basic assumptions that one makes that form the foundation of an understanding about the world. It's the first step of inquiry into natural understanding, understanding of abstract notions like "truth", "right and wrong", "good and bad", and even subjective qualifications like "tasty", "foul", "itchy", "pleasurable", etc etc.

    Faith violates those most basic assumptions: that the world we perceive is really happening, it's happening in a way that's perceivable, my perceptions are representative of that reality, and that others are percieving the same reality that I am.

    Faith violates that basic assumption by implying a supernatural reality that supercedes perceivable reality. So, it's not just that it's "wrong" or "dishonest" in the same sense that lying about doing your homework is wrong or dishonest. WHAT IT IS by it's very nature is something that undermines the concepts of goodness and honesty that we use in daily life. It plays by a completely different rule book than anything else in human experience.

    You KNOW God exists. You know it in a way that, beyond the word iself, corresponds to no other knowledge in your life. And all of that other knowledge you've accumulated over your life can be turned off on a whim if the faith-knowledge demands it.

    Now... Is that dishonest? Strictly speaking, probably not. Because you never accepted the primacy of natural knowledge in the first place. You didn't actually buy "all in" to the theories about true/false right/wrong that I'm operating on. Yours is something alien, a hybrid of faith and reason. So, when we both say "honest" we're not even speaking the same language. In your language, you are being honest. In the same sense that the North Korean government speaks "truth" and John Wayne Gacy just wanted to "help" those boys out. Theirs is an alien definition. But it doesn't change the fact that all three scare the living shit out of me.

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  14. North Korea is actively lying and Gacy (I hope) was nuts.

    Which am I?

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  15. We've been going back and forth over minutiea for at least the 6 posts.

    I feel like I've done a fairly decent job explaining my position on why faith is wrong, and way time spent on it is squandered (the original quote you were countering).

    If you disagree, I'll be happy to continue, but I'd ask you to restate what you're arguing (we've went all around the map on this).

    If not, were there any other points you wanted to make?

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  16. I do disagree with your assessment but I don't see any ground to be gained at the moment.

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  17. I feel like you and I have been firing shots past each other for much of the time. The aim was fine, but we failed to hit each other.

    I understand why you disagree, because your worldview is fundamentally different than mine -yours is based on a mixture of faith- and reason-based knowledge (faith-based knowledge superceding material knowledge when necessary) and mine is natural/material only.

    I cannot attack you on your own ground (faith) and vice versa. I can only argue this according to my terms.

    I don't intend for this to be a stalemate. What I wanted for this particular blog (admittedly I may have failed), is an appeal to common sense. Because, faith or no, we all have it.

    Christians such as yourself are 99% in line with my point of view. The vast, vast majority of your experience is rooted in material experiences, memories and reason. You refrain from murder, not because you remember a commandment about it, but because it feels wrong. Faith-based stuff is invoked only in crunch-time, when you need to call on notions like "absolute", "objective", or when you're thinking about death.

    What I'm saying is that when a perfectly reasonable person changes gears and starts thinking like a witness to the supernatural, and tries to work that into their life in a meaningful way, it's not just a waste of time, it's wrong. Because at that moment, you're undermining the reasonable foundation that you've been building on your whole life.

    Playback an instant replay of Matt's last blog. Going into that I have no doubt that you would have found it abhorrent to explain/justify genocide (or to call yourself a slave). However, when Faith required it, all of that dissolved away.

    I know you well enough to know that your personality isn't, in fact, that of a slave. Your an independent, free thinking kinda guy. Modest yes, but not a slave.

    I also know that you, just like the rest of us, are not a fan of mass-murder. If I were to put you in a time machine and take you to the fall of Jericho, you would not keep a cool, emotional distance while babies get a sword through the face, and old ladies get their skulls crushed with a big rock.

    But put it instead in a context 3000+ years in the future, reading about it instead of seeing it, and in the frame of mind to support your spiritual experiences (and by proxy God and Church), and you're willing indeed to do those things.

    That is scary to me. The kind of doublethink that faith requires. People can't do without practical reason (we'd have starved to death long ago), and many choose not to do without faith either. But to have both requires a kind of mind control which is, to me, scary and wrong.

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  18. I do understand where you're coming from with that. I can understand your argument, but I'm afraid I can not share it.

    Whether I've had some psychological hiccups or a divine experience once or twice, it's solidified me clearly in the faith camp.

    I guess the only other point I can try and make in defense of the reason of my position is this, and I will readily admit it's weak.

    When one has what could be deemed a religious experience, I don't think they're being unreasonable to believe.

    I know that's grasping a little, but it's what I got and I am interested in your response.

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  19. "When one has what could be deemed a religious experience, I don't think they're being unreasonable to believe."

    My own approach to this is no different than my approach to ghost stories. Some people have strange experiences inside poorly lit, old houses (or new houses, whatever). They have no empirical evidence to back it up, but they had a personal experience that they can't deny.

    I have no problem with that. Any argument I could craft against the story would be just as guilty of subjectivity and prejudice as the story itself.

    I DO, however, have a problem when they cast this as a "ghost" story, because that is not being faithful to their experience. They saw a grey shape move quickly across a room, or they felt something touch their shoulder. But it's never reported this way. It's reported as seeing a ghost, or being touched by a ghost.

    That's not honest. That's prejudiced and close minded. That's picking (regardless of merit) one possible explaination out of an infinite number of possibilities, for the sake of being able explain it.

    Ditto with "religious experiences". There's a LOT of tenents and maxims that make up an organized religion. Unless your experience is so comprehensive and crystal clear that God verified EVERYTHING for you - bible, christian history, interpretation, church law - then you ARE indeed exercising blind faith, at least in some aspects. Or, to use another term, prejudice. Using a very generic experience to justify a very specific array of ideas.

    So, yeah, I'd see that as wrong.

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